my next guest has personal connections to the civil rights icon. he was an anti-apartheid activist and every week for almost 30 years he went behind the prison walls to visit the man who would become south africa's first black president. cedric, thanks for joining us. share with our viewers some of the memories that you have, memories of your cousin, the support you gave him during the decades that he spent behind bars. >> well, thank you, wolf. i followed madiba, nelson mandela's life from the early '60s when i was a student at the university. and actually, i want to turn first to another relative, my uncle, harold hanson was a prominent trial lawyer in south africa and part of mandela's team at the trial of the -- the trials. and he actually gave the plea bargain to mitigate sentence. and then mandela's book, "long walk to freedom," he talks about how harold hanson actually got him to change his final statement, which is now so iconic, to tone it down perhaps. and he reminded the judge, hanson did, that the africans had their own violent struggle